Tuesday, September 01, 2009

Health Care, Once Again

Responding to this bit of propaganda from the Fraser Institute published in the Times & Transcript:

All very well to talk about what health care costs Canadians, but consider:

- we still pay less that half what Americans pay, and
- we get better health outcomes (longer lives, lower infant mortality, etc)

Also, when comparing our insurance with Americans', keep in mind:

- we don't pay health care premiums
- we don't have deductibles to pay when we get injured or sick
- insurance pays 100% of the cost, not 80%
- there is no maximum coverage in the Canadian system
- your health insurance doesn't expire or disappear for any reaosn, not even for pre-existing conditions, not because you turned age 50, not because you live in a rural area

Also, the Fraser Institute has a history of opposing health care in Canada, and this is reflected in the way they misrepresent the data.

For example:

- the incomes listed are taxable incomes, not gross or even net incomes. Thus, the *actual* income of someone paying $9,873, for example, is much higher than the $96,217 stated in the article

- not all government revenues are derived from personal taxes. There are corporate taxes, tariffs, and royalties on resources like oil and minerals, among other things. So it is a misrepresentation to suggest that individual taxes pay for the *entire* cost of Canadian health care

- the numbers listed are not per *person* but rather are per *taxpayer* - this means that the $9,873 paid by a person pays not only for the person's health care, but any dependents and children, as well as for people on income support (such as pensioners, the unemployed, and welfare recipients).

Finally, regarding 777 777's assertion that government run health care involves higher administrative costs:

As we see here and in *numerous* other references, administrative costs in the U.S. system are much higher.

This doctor notes, "Even the U.S. Medicare program has 80% to 90% lower administrative costs than private Medicare Advantage policies."

Using actual data, and not political platitudes, shows: "Single-payer systems reduce duplicative administrative costs and can negotiate lower prices.

The actual savings are significant. "Health administration costs totaled at least $294.3 billion in the United States, or $1,059 per capita, as compared with $307 per capita in Canada."

More - "USA wastes more on health care bureaucracy than it would cost to provide health care to all of the uninsured."


  1. Thanks for weighing in on this debate Stephen. The lies and deception, the deliberate fuddling of the debate is making me so angry.. and i live in Australia.

    But i still think it's an important battle to win.

    Given how obviously wrong the existing US healthcare system is, it just seems exasperating that anyone cares to defend it. Interests and the status quo at work.

    kind regards, michael

  2. Материал спорный но безусловно можно взять в разработку, Спасибо

  3. The US debate about health care see,s altogether removed from reality. When I read the stuff that's written, I think they come not merely from another planet, not even another galaxy, but another universe, and not a parallel one either.

  4. Hold tight to your health care plan, Canadians. You are very lucky to have one so comprehensive. (I'm in America myself, and fighting to get this country to stop killing people for being poor.)


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