tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post6902944031507355143..comments2024-03-29T08:44:12.249-04:00Comments on Half an Hour: Personal Knowledge: Transmission or Induction?Stephen Downeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06140591903467372209noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-34349436243744084032010-08-03T10:27:23.267-04:002010-08-03T10:27:23.267-04:00Hi, Stephen!
Thank you so much for sharing your ex...Hi, Stephen!<br />Thank you so much for sharing your experiences and explorations with us!<br />On this question, I find particularly provocative the "reversed knowledge hierarchy" explored by Illka Tuomi "Data is more than knowledge: implications of the reversed knowledge hierarchy for knowledge management and organizational memory" http://www.meaningprocessing.com/personalPages/tuomi/articles/DataIsMore.pdf "I will explore the conceptual hierarchy of data, information and knowledge, showing that data emerges only after we have information, and that information emerges only after we already have knowledge. The reversed hierarchy of knowledge is shown to lead to a different approach in developing information systems that support knowledge management and organizational memory. It is also argued that this difference may have major implications for organizational flexibility and renewal" and http://www.meaningprocessing.com/personalPages/tuomi/articles/InteractionStructuresAcrossCommunitiesOfAnticipation.pdf (pp.8-10).Graciela MarĂa Silvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03887442404616076047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-29288378562504566042010-04-07T09:58:50.390-04:002010-04-07T09:58:50.390-04:00Very interesting (but technical ;-) ) post !
I ag...Very interesting (but technical ;-) ) post !<br /><br />I agree with your model, and this<br /><br />"Whatever combination of filtering, validation, synthesis and all the rest you use, the resulting knowledge will be different for each person"<br /><br />I believe is an important reason for why knowledge management and knowledge sharing is so difficult - you're trying to filter/synthesize information using your personal values/context into something that *others* can use as well. <br /><br />My 2 cents on PKM and filtering:<br /> - http://www.ppcsoft.com/blog/pkm-filtering-info-overload.aspAtle Iversenhttp://www.ppcsoft.com/blog/pkm-filtering-info-overload.aspnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-43875830319936170902010-04-06T08:52:13.044-04:002010-04-06T08:52:13.044-04:00This sounds a lot like transduction in the VSM; yo...This sounds a lot like transduction in the VSM; you are definitely correct to separate the entities as we do not have mind-to-mind connections; we can only use communication channels (with their attenuation and amplification capabilities) to enable modelling between two (human) systems, and the "target" model is a personal reconstruction of the "source" model actively created by the target rather than a copy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-87787088621867618792010-04-06T06:57:31.182-04:002010-04-06T06:57:31.182-04:00Thank you for this post. I am wanting to chew on ...Thank you for this post. I am wanting to chew on it in relation to the children I teach. I wish I had already done that so I could include it in this comment.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12496582886862700789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-44041094678992756762010-04-05T19:14:33.899-04:002010-04-05T19:14:33.899-04:00A chapter of a book that seems relevant to this di...A chapter of a book that seems relevant to this discussion, both the communication and the differences in inductive processes used by each person, from "How People Learn:Brain, Mind, Experience and School:Expanded Edition". The chapter is "How Experts Differ From Novices":<br /><br />http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9853&page=29Steven Eganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05389795610060192074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-91942582014284762652010-04-05T19:08:52.974-04:002010-04-05T19:08:52.974-04:00Ah, so the meaning and the word is experienced at ...Ah, so the meaning and the word is experienced at the same time without any decoding perceived. Kinda sounds like automatic decoding, or sub-conscious decoding to me. Comparable to clicking a link and going to the web page, even though there is no perception of the means? "Black box" comes to mind.Steven Eganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05389795610060192074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-79447191779765962762010-04-05T17:12:15.918-04:002010-04-05T17:12:15.918-04:00Well, when I said 'experiental process' I ...Well, when I said 'experiental process' I was just grasping at words to describe my own experience of reading or listening.<br /><br />To me, it's all just voices that I experience, as though I said the words myself, and so it means whatever it is that I meant when I said the words. No 'decoding', just words and direct experience.<br /><br />Kind of like J.J. Gibson, except with words, not visual perceptions.Stephen Downeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06140591903467372209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-60595102634817202432010-04-05T16:43:24.021-04:002010-04-05T16:43:24.021-04:00Well, by "decode" I mean taking the repr...Well, by "decode" I mean taking the representations perceived and turning them into a set of meanings. Then, the "received meaning" is what I call the meaning we estimate was intended out of the possibilities we see. Since I'm not sure what you mean by "experiential process" in this context, I wonder if you would kindly elaborate. As for different methods, yes, they do add significant complexity to the situation.Steven Eganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05389795610060192074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-91936320452164417442010-04-05T16:01:26.493-04:002010-04-05T16:01:26.493-04:00What makes this even more complex is that the proc...What makes this even more complex is that the process you describe is used by only some, but not all, people.<br /><br />Decoding, for example, is only one way to think of reading. In my own case, for example, I rarely go those a decoding process, except when I'm close reading; generally I employ an experiential process. Different approaches to reading yield different results, which are more or less appropriate for different people.Stephen Downeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06140591903467372209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-47352583461731636952010-04-05T14:59:01.068-04:002010-04-05T14:59:01.068-04:00The induction analogy makes a lot of sense to me f...The induction analogy makes a lot of sense to me from a few angles, but the best being the study of effective communication, where the big point most resources agree on is that listening is at least as important, but likely more important, than speaking. When I look at the process I see for communication, it seems like there are multiple inductive-esque functions happening.<br /><br />Communication Process:<br /> Intended Meaning => Encoded Meaning<br /> Encoded Meaning => Transmitted Message<br /> Transmitted Message => Perceived Message<br /> Perceived Message => Decoded Meaning<br /> Decoded Meaning => Received Meaning<br /><br />This reminds me of the game Telephone, where one person tells the next person a phrase and the second tells the third, and the third the four and so on till the message comes back to the person who said it, and rarely do they receive anything close the the phrase they originally said.<br /><br />In this light, both of my perception of the post's meaning and my views on the subject, it seems like there should be more of a focus on communication and learning, which seem to be approximately the same thing to me. This also reminds me of the content I'm working on putting up through the Legacy Of Lore project blog ( http://www.LegacyOfLore.com ). That content is aimed at helping induce improvement in a persons learning and problem solving approaches and skill.Steven Eganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05389795610060192074noreply@blogger.com