tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post116007938808977579..comments2024-03-19T05:26:43.471-04:00Comments on Half an Hour: That Group FeelingStephen Downeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06140591903467372209noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-27030942401283561362021-04-22T13:52:28.390-04:002021-04-22T13:52:28.390-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.maikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00012111425210181912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-8485630817556501682012-04-04T21:13:19.718-04:002012-04-04T21:13:19.718-04:00I wonder if as mentioned there is a reciprocal rel...I wonder if as mentioned there is a reciprocal relationship between emotions / passions, can they spurn reasons or more network involvment? Can groups come together to empancipate and share ideas and leave the constructs of their groups to form these reasoning networks. In the technology world, we have seen many people use their group think and spurn emotions for change...but it is also far more frequent to share the ideas to equate reason that is not shared by the group that one person may have been a part of. I would hope groups exist that have value, courage and understanding but that within those groups we have individuals that share ideas and knowledge that denote reasoning. Its the whole notion of complexity and how are technological ecosystem works. We can be a groups within the ecosystem but we can also be independant of each other, linking our ideas together to create a growing , diverse environment.mrwpgstevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11044862769459237778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-70587338722314067262012-04-04T21:13:07.094-04:002012-04-04T21:13:07.094-04:00I wonder if as mentioned there is a reciprocal rel...I wonder if as mentioned there is a reciprocal relationship between emotions / passions, can they spurn reasons or more network involvment? Can groups come together to empancipate and share ideas and leave the constructs of their groups to form these reasoning networks. In the technology world, we have seen many people use their group think and spurn emotions for change...but it is also far more frequent to share the ideas to equate reason that is not shared by the group that one person may have been a part of. I would hope groups exist that have value, courage and understanding but that within those groups we have individuals that share ideas and knowledge that denote reasoning. Its the whole notion of complexity and how are technological ecosystem works. We can be a groups within the ecosystem but we can also be independant of each other, linking our ideas together to create a growing , diverse environment.mrwpgstevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11044862769459237778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-42792444311786455952012-03-22T22:04:41.912-04:002012-03-22T22:04:41.912-04:00"The memory of Jim Jones in Guyana was still ..."The memory of Jim Jones in Guyana was still fresh (and ‘drinking the xxx Kool-Aid’ has never left the lexicon)." --- one of the few things my country is famous for. jeez!!!Lenandlarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252389917236006820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-59753017883904488692011-02-14T17:50:06.058-05:002011-02-14T17:50:06.058-05:00how our emotions can cloud our other senses (I am ...how our emotions can cloud our other senses (I am told: first comes the thought, then come the emotions – but it’s the emotions that spur to action, the emotions that give meaning and value – as Hume said, “Reason is, and ought to be, the slave of the passions").<br /><br />Gosto muito..Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03537361492801980153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-45819055983970480852008-10-07T13:46:00.000-04:002008-10-07T13:46:00.000-04:00Thanks for this, Stephen. I, too, have a difficul...Thanks for this, Stephen. I, too, have a difficult time thinking of any sentient assembly, whether grouped or networked, as being without emotion. But I do think they have distinctly different emotions and emotional responses in play, no less passionate, only a different variety or vibration, like different vibrations causing different colors or sounds and those different colors or sounds giving rise to different levels/types of emotions.<BR/><BR/>When I think of Groups I think of in-focused, like football players in a huddle turned inward, bent forward in their "us-ness", closing ranks.<BR/><BR/>When I think of Networks I think of reaching outward, strethcing backward, in a different type of seeking to stretch out join with others rather than struggling to hold onto the core.<BR/><BR/>No less passion, just a different vibration, the difference between a grunt of a hug and a song to come join.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-36425526525968226372008-10-07T08:11:00.000-04:002008-10-07T08:11:00.000-04:00Great. I like it very much. It says precisely how ...Great. I like it very much. It says precisely how I think about the world and education. I don't see on this moment how it can be done in the system at my Institute, but I am happy that is can be said.Siahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00314588638565486951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-47215449819875714912008-10-07T02:08:00.000-04:002008-10-07T02:08:00.000-04:00>I want groups to continue to exist. I want tha...>I want groups to continue to exist. I want that feeling of unrestrainedly shouting “Hort! Hort! Hort!” in a suburban field, of forming a bond with a group of friends, of feeling the strength and support of my community and my family. But not at any cost. Not at the cost groups, unrestrained, can inflict on the outcast. Not at the cost that indoctrination, practiced as a theory of learning, can inflict on a society and on a planet. Not at the cost the tribe mentality, as exercised in the schoolyard, can inflict on an individual<BR/><BR/>Stephen, perhaps you should recite this once a day, and read the forums, and stop driving people away from forums to moderated blogs.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17462957723334149373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-1160406241734042252006-10-09T11:04:00.000-04:002006-10-09T11:04:00.000-04:00I'm not comfortable with the dichotomy you draw be...I'm not comfortable with the dichotomy you draw between emotions and reason. I think people can get too "emotionally" invested in that distinction. Without emotion, there is no empathy. Without empathy, you assume that there cannot be personal ethics, which means you have to encode ethics in the form of laws. From that, it's a short step to limiting people's freedom, which both groups and networks are quite capable of doing.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, here I was constructing a <A HREF="http://ideant.typepad.com/ideant/2006/10/the_tyranny_of_.html" REL="nofollow">critique of networks</A>! :-OUliseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13779847278425158286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-1160119456108569682006-10-06T03:24:00.000-04:002006-10-06T03:24:00.000-04:00steven parkerIndividuals are the network. Individu...steven parker<BR/><BR/>Individuals are the network. Individuals are not dispassionate even if a dispassionate language and tone is used. I really believe we need to be more personal and less dispassionate to connect. Being personal does not take away from reason - it just means hearing and seeing the other person. I take your point about videoblogging!Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12438441646395199685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-1160113835773570512006-10-06T01:50:00.000-04:002006-10-06T01:50:00.000-04:00Emotive communication makes more sense to me in th...Emotive communication makes more sense to me in the context of a personal blog for example, one of the reasons I like video blogging is that my emotions and body lanagugae become more apparent in my communication <A HREF="http://networklearning.blogspot.com/2006/09/flnw-4-web-20-and-networking-with.html" REL="nofollow">for example</A><BR/><BR/>Stephen's point in the context of networked communication resonates with me:<BR/><BR/>'it will be necessary for citizens of the future to be able to respond to an increasing set of global crises from a ground of reason'<BR/><BR/>It occurs to me emotive language can potentailly distract from the latent potential of a network 'to respond to an increasing set of global crises from a ground of reason.' with the possible alienation of those people freshly exposed to a network who may feel no affiliation to the emotive language.<BR/><BR/>Personally I like the idea of respecting the language and tone of a networked conversation by that I mean being dispassionate to a point (objective), the language of an individual's blog as being emotive and 'True' (subjective)<BR/><BR/>There is no black and white differentiation on communication style within a network that can be advocated...Steven Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08789670146011846042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-1160110214218168102006-10-06T00:50:00.000-04:002006-10-06T00:50:00.000-04:00I think that although reason prevails in a network...I think that although reason prevails in a network, the networks are made of individuals, those individuals are emotive, the individuals in the network become empassioned. The network doesnt necessarily have the drawbacks of the "Group at any risk" concept, but it has advantages in momentum to gain if enthused with passion and some common understandings like tolerance, being unselfconcious and taking risks in teaching and learning. I dont think common understandings make you a group, but I do think passion and emotion can sit next to reason.<BR/><BR/>I think the personal experience, speaking in a personal voice and passion and not being self concious are the attributes needed to teach and learn today.Sparker I see the emotive voice as a turn on in learning and seeing the world, not a turn off. The emotions are important in interpreting the ideas.<BR/><BR/>Those speakers on the recent FLNW tour were a network<BR/>of passionate individuals who have expanded the wingspan of Networked learning ideas in their practice.<BR/><BR/>The broad networking capability of social software has impacted on how we talk to each other. It means that I can reflect and participate here, right on Stephens blog. I am demonstrating an unselfconciousness in revealing what I think and know or not know. I am motivated to participate and therefore learn. If I thought I had to impart pearls of wisdom everytime I am motivated to participate and learn, I am sure I would not participate. <BR/><BR/>I will talk more about these things on my new blog at www.participatecontributelearn.blogspot.com.au where I am working on learning how to apply all the things I am learning.Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12438441646395199685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-1160096814778544722006-10-05T21:06:00.000-04:002006-10-05T21:06:00.000-04:00Great post Stephen I will admit to investing alot ...Great post Stephen I will admit to investing alot of emotional energy in the value of the idea/concept of networkedlearning, to remain professionally relevant as an educationalist; by that I mean having skills to manage technology network with my peers remain digitally and information literate employ critical thinking and remain objective passing on the good stuff to my colleagues and students. <BR/><BR/>I have to admit the personal language of a group that inevitably reveals itself within social networks does not appeal to me (a turnoff) but accept that it goes with the territory of human bonds and connections within a social context. to put precendence on objective focused communication resonates more for me personally within a professional group/network context, for me emotive communication can be a turnoff to tuning in to the conversation potentially missing out on something useful...for me I appreciate the emotive voice more in an individual's blog not in the group/ network...Steven Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08789670146011846042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-1160086866173417392006-10-05T18:21:00.000-04:002006-10-05T18:21:00.000-04:00yes, a near perfect post, including a perfect firs...yes, a near perfect post, including a perfect first comment Arti. So, is it enough to be satisfied with wild ducks pointing out the escape roots in the holding pens that will enable barn ducks to fly? How can we balance the emotional need for the group (hort hort hort) and the reason for the individual. Is it enough to simply be aware of the potential tyranny in groups? I guess that's all we can achieve - awareness. Thanks Stephen. I'm a barn duck trying to fly, but at times its hard to keep up, and I yearn for the barn again.Leigh Blackallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17845313396595646728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11679714.post-1160083002416026732006-10-05T17:16:00.000-04:002006-10-05T17:16:00.000-04:00This is beautifully captured Stephen, perfect ...A...This is beautifully captured Stephen, perfect ...<BR/><BR/>And sometimes the "wild duck" has an impact on the group<BR/><BR/><I>"When the wild ducks migrate in their season, a strange tide rises in the territories over which they sweep. As if magnetised by the great triangular flight, the barnyard fowl leap a foot or two into the air and try to fly. .. All the ducks on the farm are transformed for an instant into migrant birds, and into those hard little heads, until now filled with humble images of pools and worms and barnyards, there swims a sense of the continental expanse, of the breadth of seas and the salt taste of the ocean wind. The duck totters to the right and left in its wire enclosure, gripped by a sudden passion to perform the impossible and a sudden love whose object is a mystery ... The barnyard duck had no notion that its little head was big enough to contain oceans, continents, skies; but of a sudden it was beating its wings, despising corn, despising worms, battling to become a wild duck."</I> Antoine de Saint-Exupery's (1995) Wind, Sand and Starsartichokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15926940379668541109noreply@blogger.com